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Nuggs
03-29-2014, 02:44 AM
Well as many of you know I have been tossing around the idea of salt for awhile.

I was gonna do it in an empty 30G, but didn't like my sump space options.
I was going to buy a 75G corner flow, but couldn't justify it if I decided salt wasn't for me.
I found a nice used 90G corner flow already sumped with a skimmer, but there were 3 scratches on the tank that would make me a little crazy (more so than normal).

Then I realised I can just try it for awhile with my old 50G rimless.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5585.jpg

It's an odd Euro size 200 liters, 100cm x 40cm x 50cm (39" x 15" x 19").

If my fling with salt works out my plan is for this 50G to become a sump for a new 90G, but we'll see

Celidh
03-29-2014, 10:00 AM
Nice!

Convict
03-29-2014, 10:54 AM
Whoo hoo, what are your plans for fish?

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 11:36 AM
Whoo hoo, what are your plans for fish?

Nothing too major. Looking to keep the bioload low.

Like I said if this works out for me, I'm really only looking at tearing it down and making this my sump.

Was thinking a clown pair, royal gamma, etc.

I would have liked blue chromis but the tanks rimless, so unless I can figure out a top option, I'll be sticking to fish that aren't known as jumpers.

Convict
03-29-2014, 11:44 AM
Blue chromis will kill each other off until there is just one left.... Too bad because they would make a nice schooling fish

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 11:49 AM
Well I finished it off last night.

Not sure I'm happy with the rock though, I wanted to leave more open sandbed but couldn't really find away to do it and still have a good amount of spaced out rock.

Was up till 4am, so its only been clearing for 7 hours or so. It wasn't that long of a process but I had to shut down 3 tanks first, and capture about 150 baby shrimp.

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 11:51 AM
Blue chromis will kill each other off until there is just one left.... Too bad because they would make a nice schooling fish

We talking about the same fish?
I thought chromis viridis was a schooling fish? People have even bred them in aquarums.

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 11:52 AM
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/IMG_5622-1.jpg

Side View:

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/IMG_5623.jpg

The rock doesn't touch the glass anywhere (except bottom), and everything is very sturdy, there is plenty a holes and crevices, and the rocks are all spaced pretty far underneath.

Convict
03-29-2014, 11:59 AM
Yes the same chromis.... That is what I've heard from everyone but I never tried to keep a group, let us know if you try it

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 12:02 PM
Hmm I'll have to read into that I was thinking I might like a small school of chromis in a larger tank.

Scot
03-29-2014, 12:02 PM
Looks good so far. I would love to do a salt set up just don't have the space. What inverts are you thinking? How hard is it to keep the saltwater peramiters where they should be, is it as easy as fresh.

Convict
03-29-2014, 12:02 PM
I love this aqua scape thread http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97209

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 12:05 PM
I love this aqua scape thread http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97209

Yeah I was looking at those yesterday, I did't have the right rock to build that though.

Mostly this is scavenged live rock from a few different sources and some base rock.

Convict
03-29-2014, 12:11 PM
The path in the middle is very popular... It's hard to set up rock unless your ready to glue it all together, which I was not...I'm still not happy with my scape but it's not changing now.... Needs to be on the tank glass, I have a convict on there :)

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 12:19 PM
Looks good so far. I would love to do a salt set up just don't have the space. What inverts are you thinking? How hard is it to keep the saltwater peramiters where they should be, is it as easy as fresh.

Nassarius or Nerite Snails
Scarlet Reef Hermit Crab
Peppermint Shrimp

Nuggs
03-29-2014, 12:22 PM
Yeah I couldn't see me gluing it all together, it would be a pain to remove that much rock as one piece.

undergroundvid
03-29-2014, 12:27 PM
I love seeing that rock in a tank. So much nicer then in a bin lol

carriej
03-29-2014, 05:58 PM
I like the rocks, I think they are interesting. I don't like my rocks either; I thought I did at first but I don't now haha

And yes, Chromis will kill eachother off until there is one left, I also had one jump and found my cats playing with it's crispy remains. They do school though; I could never notice much bullying. However they would all go into the rocks at night and I am assuming they were sneaky murderous fiends when the lights went out.

Celidh
03-30-2014, 12:54 AM
I had 4 chromis and slowly they all disappeared. I never did like my rockwork. I hauled it all out today trying to get all the fish out and just dumped it back in my tank since there isn't much left in it. It doesn't look any worse than when I worked trying to make it look nice. LOL

muvinbird
03-30-2014, 01:03 AM
A great looking tank for sw.
Looks like a really good start, you need to get a electric blue or orange hermit also. :)
Will be looking for the updates!

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 08:59 AM
Well we have Ammonia and we have Nitrite.

As well I noticed some life today.

Some smallish insect looking thing I'm assuming is a Amphipod.
Some even smaller think, which I am assuming is an Copepod.
And what appear to be tiny feather dusters.

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 09:20 AM
I never thought I'd be in the dark with my red flashlight scouring a tank for tiny organisms lol

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 09:27 AM
Lighting:

Not sure what I am doing yet.
Likely a chinese LED setup.
http://www.reefsupplycanada.com/d120-v2-dimmable-120-watt-full-spectrum-led-light-16-light/

Right now I just have the old planted hood on it with 2 x 6700k bulbs. I am keeping the lights off at this point to prevent algae growth. Depening on how long it takes me to pick up new lighting, I may throw a 10K and Actinic in it, but I can't see me wasting $50 on lights I am not going to use.

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 09:29 AM
Skimmer:

Again not really positive on the direction I am going.

I am leaning towards an AquaC Remora-S HOB
http://www.jlaquatics.com/product/ps-acrem/Aqua+C+Remora-S+Hang-On+Protein+Skimmer.html

dougomac
03-30-2014, 09:29 AM
Have you looked at finnex lighting? Seem reasonably priced not sure if its what you are looking for.

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 09:36 AM
Have you looked at finnex lighting? Seem reasonably priced not sure if its what you are looking for.

The problem with the Finnex ones is three fold:

I don't think they have enough output, they max out at 60-70 PAR I think at 18". Might be ok for a planted tank but not reef.

They don't have adjustable legs and this is an odd size Euro tank (200L, 100cm), so they wouldn't fit without me building acrylic legs.

The other issue is I want something I can port over to a 48" tank later, so I think that leaves me looking at hanging options.

Convict
03-30-2014, 09:41 AM
What is the plan for corals? SPS? Softies and macros? LPS flowyness mania?

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 09:49 AM
What is the plan for corals? SPS? Softies and macros? LPS flowyness mania?

Haven't put a ton of thought into it yet.

Mostly concerned with equipment and a clean up crew ATM.

Slow goes it I guess

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 09:49 AM
Anyone dealt with Derek's Reef and bus shipping?

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 02:37 PM
And then I found Asterina.

This is going to drive me mad.

Convict
03-30-2014, 03:06 PM
I've dealt with Derek many times, no complaints, maritime reef is great too

Convict
03-30-2014, 03:08 PM
Don't worry about all of the things in there.... Wait until you get cyano and/or hair algae hege

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 03:29 PM
I've dealt with Derek many times, no complaints, maritime reef is great too

Done the bus shipping route?

Convict
03-30-2014, 03:30 PM
Yes got them both to ship to me and I've been at both the shops ;)

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 03:32 PM
Cool, looking ahead at a CUC

Convict
03-30-2014, 03:42 PM
Shipped in the winter or summer and everything has always been fine.... I should be going to NB in April.... Maybe April 11th but need to confirm with the fam

carriej
03-30-2014, 03:43 PM
Nuggs you'll have a great time, I remember while my tank was cycling going down and looking at all the creatures on the rocks. I still find things sometimes a year and a half later that I have no idea what they are... lol

MoxVoid
03-30-2014, 07:32 PM
Looks good nuggs! Rimless is sexy but dangerous! :D

Celidh
03-30-2014, 07:39 PM
I have to agree, it is cool seeing all the life in your live rock.

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 08:42 PM
Looks good nuggs! Rimless is sexy but dangerous! :D


Yeah I just have to choose fish that aren't know for jumping.

I know, I know, all fish can jump... but I should be able to limit it.
And hopefully it will be temporary, just until I decide I like it and it becomes a sump :P

carriej
03-30-2014, 08:43 PM
You'll like it.

I was a plant girl; but was attracted to the corals... Corals are so interesting. The fish are cool; but I think the corals are my favorite thing.

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 08:46 PM
You'll like it.

I was a plant girl; but was attracted to the corals... Corals are so interesting. The fish are cool; but I think the corals are my favorite thing.

I have to say I do so far, and I don't even have a CUC in there yet.

I have to say its going to take me awhile to figure out the corals. I least with plants I never worried that my java fern would kill me anubias. :P

carriej
03-30-2014, 08:57 PM
Hahaha; it's what makes it fun! The first coral I ever seen in person was in my own tank. You will be amazed by watching them... The first time you feed them you will be hooked lol

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 09:35 PM
Already have one :P

Came with the rock from Under.

Actinodiscus sp. I assume

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5641.jpg

Convict
03-30-2014, 09:46 PM
Looks like a purple mushroom to me :)

undergroundvid
03-30-2014, 11:08 PM
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=597+598+653&pcatid=653 whoa coasts a lot lol. Shouldnt have been giving them away :PP

Nuggs
03-30-2014, 11:39 PM
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5638.jpg

Convict
03-31-2014, 01:23 PM
Underground Mushrooms don't go for that much here... maybe $5-10 retail for something like that and Nuggs scoop that star out hehe

carriej
03-31-2014, 01:27 PM
Yeah; blue mushrooms go for like 5$ ea here retail. I've been scraping mine off and throwing them out lol.

& I agree with Suzanne, I'd pull that asterina.

undergroundvid
03-31-2014, 02:47 PM
Yeah; blue mushrooms go for like 5$ ea here retail. I've been scraping mine off and throwing them out lol.

& I agree with Suzanne, I'd pull that asterina.

Aha i know :p no idea why they are so expensive on that site

Nuggs
03-31-2014, 05:39 PM
Yeah; blue mushrooms go for like 5$ ea here retail. I've been scraping mine off and throwing them out lol.

& I agree with Suzanne, I'd pull that asterina.

Yeah I get conflicting info on asterina. Some say it eats coral some say its a film eater.

I assume there are different sub species? With different diets.

He hasn't moved more then 2" in 2 days.

carriej
03-31-2014, 10:56 PM
I think the issue is that it's a lottery and they multiply quite quickly. I see some in my tank; and I haven't had any issues personally but if I can reach them I pick them out.

Nuggs
03-31-2014, 11:58 PM
I think the issue is that it's a lottery and they multiply quite quickly. I see some in my tank; and I haven't had any issues personally but if I can reach them I pick them out.

rgr I'll snag him tomorrow.

still waiting on my cycle, ammonia sitting at .50

MoxVoid
04-01-2014, 02:10 AM
If you or anyone else wants to propagate these this is a pretty easy how to!

I have to ask though do mushrooms and other corals "feel" if they do it seems like cutting them is pretty inhuman.

I mean at one point this guy is like "Yeah cut them right through he mouth they will reproduce much better that way! >_>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8SUajQ8-gI&list=HL1396325342

Convict
04-01-2014, 10:59 AM
They usually propagade fast enough that you don't have to cut them..... I'm not too sure mushrooms have the ability to feel pain, do they have nerves? But usually most people don't complain that there their mushrooms are not growing fast enough

carriej
04-01-2014, 12:32 PM
LOL Mox I had a good laugh on your comment about cutting through the mouth.

They do not possess a true nervous system or a brain. "fragging" happens in nature with some corals and it's how they propagate in the wild.

Nuggs
04-01-2014, 02:50 PM
Can't be worse than putting a worm on a hook

Celidh
04-01-2014, 03:18 PM
Can't be worse than putting a worm on a hook

I feel bad doing that to a worm.

Interesting to know. Thanks for the video.

Nuggs
04-03-2014, 12:53 PM
Well I ordered one of the D120V2 Evergrow LED units today.

Get it mounted when it arrives, and if it works out I'll likely pick up a second.
Then port them to a 75 / 90 / 150 when I upgrade.

cabinetman
04-03-2014, 01:08 PM
I've heard a good way to frag mushrooms is to throw them in the blender lol. Then just dump it back in your tsnk and presto.. Mushrooms everywhere lol

Nuggs
04-05-2014, 11:13 AM
Well I worked out a trade with ceilidh for a skimmer. I'll get that installed Monday, and the start working on a bracket to hang lights.

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 08:09 PM
Well I was just sitting here minding my own business, taking some pics and video.

To help the process I stuck a little frozen mussel in the sand.

Next thing I know this 4" tentacle comes out!

What a dilemma? Take a picture for you, or KILL IT!

Of course I went all "and Jacque Cousteau will lead."

Of course the thing sensed the stainless steel planting tweezers of death coming, and retracted up into a hole in the live rock.


Best I can tell its a Fire Worm.

Looked a lot like this.

http://www.dafni.com/vermes/Eurythoe.jpg

For now that one rock is out of the tank.

If he starts to wriggle out looking for water hes done for, got the shotgun on backup just in case :)

Otherwise it'll get replaced with a piece of base rock.

muvinbird
04-12-2014, 08:27 PM
A shotgun is quite useful when owning an sw tank... :)

dougomac
04-12-2014, 08:29 PM
Sounds complicated

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 08:37 PM
Sounds complicated

Naw, shotguns are easy, pump pull repeat :P

dougomac
04-12-2014, 08:38 PM
Naw, shotguns are easy, pump pull repeat :P

Lol

muvinbird
04-12-2014, 08:45 PM
Naw, shotguns are easy, pump pull repeat :P

Even easier with semi auto...
I just know that the tiny 3mm bristle worm I saw in the beginning is hideing and growing somewhere behind the lr, just waiting til I've got my hands in there...

dougomac
04-12-2014, 08:46 PM
As I know nothing about sw I am guessing this is a pest. Is it that bad that you have to remove rock.

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 09:48 PM
Even easier with semi auto...
I just know that the tiny 3mm bristle worm I saw in the beginning is hideing and growing somewhere behind the lr, just waiting til I've got my hands in there...

Bristles I am not too worried about.

Fire Worms however ....

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 09:49 PM
As I know nothing about sw I am guessing this is a pest. Is it that bad that you have to remove rock.

Yes it is a pest.

The bioload in that tank is so low the rock removal isn't a big deal.

dougomac
04-12-2014, 09:55 PM
Was not questioning the removal. I did not realize sw pests were that bad, that is all. Keep that shotgun loaded and standby for titanfall

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 10:12 PM
standby for titanfall

You playing? PC?

dougomac
04-12-2014, 10:13 PM
Yup

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 10:14 PM
Yup

PM me your ID

MoxVoid
04-12-2014, 10:39 PM
Was not questioning the removal. I did not realize sw pests were that bad, that is all. Keep that shotgun loaded and standby for titanfall

I am on the fence about getting this game! It looks pretty good to me, and I feel like I will eventually get it. In the meantime I am thinking of going to PVP bar/grill to try it there first and then see if I like it.

What do you guys think of it?

I already play a ton of Mech Warrior Online, and War Thunder lately.

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 10:44 PM
I am on the fence about getting this game! It looks pretty good to me, and I feel like I will eventually get it. In the meantime I am thinking of going to PVP bar/grill to try it there first and then see if I like it.

What do you guys think of it?

I already play a ton of Mech Warrior Online, and War Thunder lately.

I love it, adds a new dimension to shooters, fast game too.

I havn't tried MWO yet

Celidh
04-12-2014, 10:44 PM
I am on the fence about getting this game! It looks pretty good to me, and I feel like I will eventually get it. In the meantime I am thinking of going to PVP bar/grill to try it there first and then see if I like it.

What do you guys think of it?

I already play a ton of Mech Warrior Online, and War Thunder lately.

Aww how sweet, spending your Saturday night talking about fish and video games. Says a lot for everyone's social life now doesn't it.

Ok, back to Nuggs' thread and discussion about his worm.

dougomac
04-12-2014, 11:00 PM
You need flashlight to find those worms....lol. hey ther is beer drinking going on too

bsellon
04-12-2014, 11:13 PM
my nano is filled with these little and holy $h!T that was big worms. they come out at feeding time or when the lights are out. i got about 40ish in there they do a great job eating anything that slips below the crushed coral or into the LR where the hermits don't get to. also had them make quick work of any dead snails so it does not affect my chemistry if i don't see. i had more when i first started but as the food source regulated so did the population.

MoxVoid
04-12-2014, 11:49 PM
Aww how sweet, spending your Saturday night talking about fish and video games. Says a lot for everyone's social life now doesn't it.

Ok, back to Nuggs' thread and discussion about his worm.


I am with doug, there is beer drinking going on right now! Also I hosted a party last night so social life is taking a well deserved break tonight. For anyone else looking for some chill Saturday night tunes here is an epic hour of music for you too!

https://soundcloud.com/kygo/kygo-bbc-mix-for-diplo-friends

As for the worm, You could just pour some boiling water on the rock you took out. I bet you would find the worm pretty quick.

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 11:54 PM
You need flashlight to find those worms....lol. hey ther is beer drinking going on too

Scotch and I've got my red bridge light burning brightly :P

Nuggs
04-12-2014, 11:55 PM
I am with doug, there is beer drinking going on right now! Also I hosted a party last night so social life is taking a well deserved break tonight. For anyone else looking for some chill Saturday night tunes here is an epic hour of music for you too!

https://soundcloud.com/kygo/kygo-bbc-mix-for-diplo-friends

As for the worm, You could just pour some boiling water on the rock you took out. I bet you would find the worm pretty quick.

I'm thinking gas :P

Nuggs
04-14-2014, 07:55 PM
Well my tank cycled almost instantly, yeah for well aged rock.


I never had much on an ammonia spike, the next day I had almost 5 ppm Nitrate.


Did a 10% water change and added 2 scarlet hermits about 2 weeks ago.

They were fine so last week added, a halloween hermit, a red spotted snail, 2 spiny astrea, and 2 trochus.

Celidh
04-14-2014, 09:54 PM
Fish time!!!!! :emoticon (45): That's the good thing about using live rock and not letting it sit before getting it in your tank.

What's going in first?

Nuggs
04-14-2014, 09:57 PM
Fish time!!!!! :emoticon (45): That's the good thing about using live rock and not letting it sit before getting it in your tank.

What's going in first?

Well I was going for a yellow watchman Goby and a pistol shrimp, but I can't see to find any pistol shrimp :P

Celidh
04-14-2014, 10:22 PM
Well I was going for a yellow watchman Goby and a pistol shrimp, but I can't see to find any pistol shrimp :P

Yeah, about that. I think I bought the last one that AFK had. I forget who but someone else on here went to get one from AFK and they told him a woman bought the last one the day before, which was when I bought mine. Not like it was worth the money since I paid to have an invisible fish.

Nuggs
04-14-2014, 10:53 PM
Just a few little updates:

Halloween Hermit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSt-_vtoFiU

Orange Spot

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5651.jpg

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5655.jpg


http://youtu.be/X5mZ_EoQjdc




Scarlet Hermit

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5643.jpg

And theres a peppermint shrimp in there too

carriej
04-14-2014, 11:01 PM
Nuggs, I am no expert but that snail looks like a babylon snail to me.

An excerpt:



Babylonian Snails - This cream and brown spotted snail makes an attractive addition to the tank, but are predatory and feed on bivalves and other snails. They are often mislabeled and sold as "Fancy Nassarius", or "Speckled Nassarius" snails, but they are not related to Nassarius spp. and are not safe for the reef aquarium.

Nuggs
04-14-2014, 11:06 PM
Yeah I think I just figured that out.

Unsure if I will try and return him or not, hes pretty awesome to watch.
As I'm not keeping any clams I may just keep him around. I've been supplementally feeding him atm.

carriej
04-14-2014, 11:07 PM
Up to you of course, it is your tank :)

Nasarrius snails are pretty cool to watch on their own, just plainer looking. I just wanted to make sure you knew that the snail you have might decide to take a munch later on.. haha

Nuggs
04-14-2014, 11:40 PM
Yeah I originally thought it was a Nasarrius, but I may talk to brenda and see if I can trade it.

And what do you mean your no expert?

You're my resident specialist :P

carriej
04-14-2014, 11:43 PM
There are far too many fishy things in the world to learn lol. If I ever learn them all; I will let you know. Until then, I just know a few things :)

Nuggs
04-27-2014, 09:28 PM
Well I had this big post typed and then the site hung adding a pic and wouldn't respond.

You'll have to settle for pics now, and I'll try and find time for the txt later.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5829-1.jpg

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5810.jpg

carriej
04-27-2014, 09:49 PM
Great additions.

I need to get some new fish soon.

Nuggs
04-27-2014, 11:40 PM
So I've increased my clean up crew:

2 x Halloween Hermits
4 x Scarlet Hermits
4 x Blue leg Hermits

5 x Nass Snails
4 x Spiny Astrea Snails
4 x Striped Trochus Snails
1 x Orange Spotted Grazer

I picked up a Scarlet Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, he's decided his new life will be spent on the output sponge on my skimmer.

My Peppermint shrimp seems to be missing, although I did see a partial molt, so he may just be hiding while his new exoskeleton hardens.

I picked up a yellow watchman goby and tiger pistol shrimp pair, everything seemed fine, they built a "lair" in the front of the tank. When I came home from my duty watch this morning the goby had moved to a different home, and the pistol shrimp was dead in the back of the tank. No idea what happened.

The firefish you've already seen.

I was going to pick up a Royal Gramma, but the only one I can find locally had ich.

I am still debating a 6 line Wrasse and I still need to decide on a clown pair.

And my lighting arrived, very happy with the Evergrow lights.

Other than that all is well, no other crazy sea mutants have crawled out and attempted to murder me..... yet.

TheSeaPony
04-27-2014, 11:59 PM
I have the same orange spotted nassarius in my reef tank its been months never did nothing wrong in my tank its a great sand sifter I only see him at night lol

MoxVoid
04-28-2014, 12:35 AM
Of your cleanup crew which do you find eat the most algea? I have about 2 of the blue and black banded ones and they don't seem to do ANYTHING to my algae blooms.... I want to get more hermits but I just got the skimmer so I was expecting it to dramatically drop the GHA but it is not. So I am looking at getting more crabs but not sure what type to get.

TheSeaPony
04-28-2014, 01:16 AM
I have hermits too but I found the trochus snails are really good algea eaters and the good thing about them they flip back if they fall on their back so less loss

Staceym
04-28-2014, 10:04 AM
Everything is coming along very nicely :) And based on the pics everything looks so nice and clean! Did you end up leaving the original rock layout?

Kmackenzie
04-28-2014, 11:04 AM
I'll sell you a small clown pair at a good price Nuggs

Nuggs
04-28-2014, 11:18 AM
Of your cleanup crew which do you find eat the most algea? I have about 2 of the blue and black banded ones and they don't seem to do ANYTHING to my algae blooms.... I want to get more hermits but I just got the skimmer so I was expecting it to dramatically drop the GHA but it is not. So I am looking at getting more crabs but not sure what type to get.

Again, I'm no expert, hell you have more SW experience than me.

But buying CuC to deal with Algae is just a bandaid. You've got to locate the source of the issue. I'm assuming its a Phosphate issue.

I do have a little GHA in my tank but its only on the glass, and just 4-5 little spots. Need to scrape it off today for maintenance.

As far as the original question I'd probably go with scarlet hermits and mexican turbo snails or maybe a sea hare.

The one thing with hair algae is as I understand it once it gets too long nothing eats it normally.

Are you using tap water? Or RODI?

Nuggs
04-28-2014, 11:19 AM
I have hermits too but I found the trochus snails are really good algea eaters and the good thing about them they flip back if they fall on their back so less loss

I find the Trochus very very active and go everywhere. I have still had to flip them the odd time.

Nuggs
04-28-2014, 11:24 AM
Everything is coming along very nicely :) And based on the pics everything looks so nice and clean! Did you end up leaving the original rock layout?

I seems to be staying clean. Well see how it is in September. Looks like I will be at sea for a few months much to the wife's chagrin.

I did leave the original layout for now. I'm not happy with it. So it will likely change yet. But I need some different rock sizes shapes. I may just leave it, see if its a mini dead sea when I get home in September.

I'll get a pic of the whole tank up today.

Nuggs
04-28-2014, 11:28 AM
I'll sell you a small clown pair at a good price Nuggs

Is that those Clarki clowns?

I like the idea, but they may be a little larger than what I have planned.

Shoot me a PM and we'll go from there. Worst case I'll stop by and have a look. I'm off work today.

MoxVoid
04-28-2014, 12:16 PM
Again, I'm no expert, hell you have more SW experience than me.

But buying CuC to deal with Algae is just a bandaid. You've got to locate the source of the issue. I'm assuming its a Phosphate issue.

I do have a little GHA in my tank but its only on the glass, and just 4-5 little spots. Need to scrape it off today for maintenance.

As far as the original question I'd probably go with scarlet hermits and mexican turbo snails or maybe a sea hare.

The one thing with hair algae is as I understand it once it gets too long nothing eats it normally.

Are you using tap water? Or RODI?

I suppose your right, technically I do :P I am just used to looking up to you as the shrimp Guru haha

Originally that was my motivation for the protein skimmer in hopes that it would take out whatever was causing the problem, or at least get it to manageable levels for the CuC.

I am using the dreaded tap water so that is potentially what is causing the issue but I know others have used tap water in HRM without too much issue.

I am also getting the impression it is my substrate. Anywhere where there is a rock overhang there is no GHA below it (light cannot get to it) and almost no hair algea grows on my live rock. It is only on my substrate which is little pebbles. I want to switch to sand but am not sure how hard that will be.

I think I will be going to AFK today to browse around maybe get two more hermits and a phosphate test kit, and then go from there. I will also ask their opinion on changing the substrate.

Nuggs
04-28-2014, 12:41 PM
It shouldn't be that bad to change out on a small tank.

Plus you can use Stacey's pop bottle trick to reduce the cloudiness. It worked for me when I added a little more.

It might be the pebbles, depending on what rock they are.

The deal breaker for me with rodi vs tap was this. If my makeup water always has a higher TDS then my tank will always slowly increase in TDS. Even with weekly water changes the value will slowly climb overtime eventually causing issues. Unless your running some macro algae to slowly use up resources there's not much else in there to process those trace elements like there would be in a heavily planted tank.

Again that's just my take, with very little experience.

I've been buying RODI, and have a unit on the way.

Nuggs
04-28-2014, 11:22 PM
Well today I picked up:

Lubbock's Fairy Wrasse
Neon Cleaner Goby
2 x Clarkii Clown

That pretty much does it for me for stocking, other than maybe a few more inverts.

Pics to follow

Nuggs
04-29-2014, 04:18 PM
Well I have to say I love my Lubbock's Fairy Wrasse.

This fish is simply awesome.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5915.jpg

carriej
04-29-2014, 04:33 PM
I love fairy wrasse, I had a very pretty little pink angular fairy wrasse. Lost her in the crash though :(

she was always out and about checking on everything in the tank.

Nuggs
04-29-2014, 11:16 PM
Well the Neon (Cleaner) Goby never made it a day in QT, he's alive but back to the shop with ICH.
It actually Turned out great as I caved and upgraded to a orchid dottiback

Nuggs
04-29-2014, 11:31 PM
A few pictures, FYI these are big images and may take a bit to load:

Full tank, I have some spot lighting from the one light, but my plan was to buy one, see how it worked out and then pick up a second, plus there are no coral in there at this point other than the hitchhiker mushrooms.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5889.jpg~original


A better pic of my Yellow Watchman Goby, I love this little guy, so much character and he's getting bolder. I never seem to see him eat though. He nibbles at the odd thing if it passes close enough to his cave, and target feeding ends with him retreating into the rock.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5923.jpg~original

Another good pic of my Lubbock's Wrasse, absolutely love this guy.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5911.jpg~original

One of my Clarkii Clowns, thanks again Ken, hope we didn't destroy your tank too badly getting them out.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5882.jpg~original

And finally my Orchid Dottyback, I absolutely love the colouration on this fish.

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_5946.jpg~original

MoxVoid
04-30-2014, 12:35 AM
So what light did you end up going with? Tank looks great! And some excellent photography skills to boot! (are you using a tripod?) Other than firefish and Mandarins it seems to me that most gobys tend to hide out for most of their lives.

Nuggs
04-30-2014, 07:12 AM
So what light did you end up going with? Tank looks great! And some excellent photography skills to boot! (are you using a tripod?) Other than firefish and Mandarins it seems to me that most gobys tend to hide out for most of their lives.

I ended up going with the Evergrow D120V2 lights (Chinese LEDs).

I love the lights, remind me tonight and I'll post a little review.

Just need my RODI unit to arrive now and the acrylic clip to hang my eggcrate and I'll be all set until I get back in the fall.

Nuggs
04-30-2014, 07:15 AM
The photos were all done hand held, with a 13mm macro extension tube.

I have a tripod, but don't use it much for fish. They just move too fast moving to be able to react quickly.

Redherring
04-30-2014, 09:34 AM
The tank is looking great! I agree, your photos are gorgeous.

muvinbird
04-30-2014, 02:37 PM
Tank is looking great!
Very good pics.

Nuggs
04-30-2014, 05:47 PM
The tank is looking great! I agree, your photos are gorgeous.

Thanks Red. I slowly learning to take better pics.

Nuggs
04-30-2014, 05:47 PM
Tank is looking great!
Very good pics.

Thanks Muvin

MoxVoid
05-08-2014, 12:01 PM
I think the one thing you haven't mentioned about the tank so far or perhaps it is assumed but what type of Sand did you use?

Nuggs
05-08-2014, 12:04 PM
I think the one thing you haven't mentioned about the tank so far or perhaps it is assumed but what type of Sand did you use?

CaribSea Ocean Direct

Nuggs
06-14-2014, 06:23 PM
The wife sent me a cell phone pic of my new. Looks like its almost doubled in size in a month.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/u8epunav.jpg

dougomac
06-14-2014, 06:53 PM
Nice

Redherring
06-15-2014, 10:51 AM
Looks great! So nice of her to send you pictures! BTW, this thread is acting crazy on my computer: jumping around, laggin out. Is it just me and my computer?

Convict
06-15-2014, 10:53 AM
These guys grew fast for sure and split :) if you can pry them off of the rock then you can sell them :)

Nuggs
06-15-2014, 04:30 PM
Looks great! So nice of her to send you pictures! BTW, this thread is acting crazy on my computer: jumping around, laggin out. Is it just me and my computer?
Yeah she's been really great!

the thread may be a bit laggy do to the high res photos I posted.

Nuggs
06-15-2014, 04:33 PM
These guys grew fast for sure and split :) if you can pry them off of the rock then you can sell them :)

Well I'd like one for each clown anyway.

I was really surprised with the growth. But its being target fed shrimp twice a week. Plus the clowns make sure it gets extra.

If it splits more than once I'll definitely turn a power head on them to get them moving and put them up for sale.

Convict
06-15-2014, 04:44 PM
Sometimes mine slept in each their own nem :)

Nuggs
06-15-2014, 04:51 PM
Yeah right now one hosts the nem and the other just kinda does his own thing.

Convict
06-15-2014, 05:30 PM
My male took a couple weeks longer than my female, the other one will figure it out :)

Nuggs
08-29-2014, 06:40 PM
Well the wife was able to keep everything alive and well.

My second D120V2 LED arrived today and as well my new powerheads

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/IMG_6989.jpg~original

undergroundvid
08-29-2014, 07:07 PM
Well the wife was able to keep everything alive and well.

My second D120V2 LED arrived today and as well my new powerheads

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/IMG_6989.jpg~original

I have those there are amazing

Nuggs
08-29-2014, 07:20 PM
Yeah loving them so far.

Prefer W1 so far, but on the 75G I'll likely move to Else mode.

Have them cut back to about 70% right now.

Can't beat them for the price.

carriej
08-29-2014, 10:18 PM
I'm thinking of people up a couple of the new wireless r8s, hearing lots of good things about those too. Can't beat it when they're 1/4 of the price of the competition.

Nuggs
08-29-2014, 10:23 PM
I almost got the wireless ones. But then I couldn't figure out why I'd spend more money for the same thing.

I am absolutely loving these and the corals seem to be loving them.

Definitely an upgrade over those Hydors

carriej
08-30-2014, 01:13 AM
The wireless models have a different design, look a little nicer, have a broader flow, and of course they are wireless. The wire that comes to connect the jebao wp 25 twins pack is 6 feet. If you have a 6 foot tank like I have and want a power head on opposite ends, you need an extender. It's mostly down to personal preference. For me it's mostly aesthetic... Less wires, and a prettier looking device (lol).

I'm sure in a few months there will be some other thing out that's better again.


the rw models resemble a vortech almost.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 01:17 AM
Ahhh.... I didn't take into account the 6' tanks. Good point.

These are just going to get moved over to my 75G.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 01:26 AM
there is a coll 3rd party controller available as well

http://www.joejaworski.com/jebao/

carriej
08-30-2014, 11:58 AM
That's interesting. Too bad it's only for android devices though.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 12:28 PM
Yeah its great for me. All my devices are android. But the regular USB one allows a daily program to be setup

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 08:16 PM
I did have a couple of casualties while I was away.

Apparently a week after I left my Firefish jumped and a week before I came back my Lubbock's Wrasse pulled the same stunt.

Lesson learned eggcrate tops are not small enough, going to see if I can find some 1/4" bird netting tomorrow.

I did get one new addition since I've been home.

Lawn Mower Blenny

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_6993.jpg~original
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo270/shawncrockett/_MG_6995.jpg~original

carriej
08-30-2014, 08:19 PM
Cute. I have a starry blenny and he's a real character. My foxface hates him though and chases him around all the time.

I bought the 1/4 plastic chickenwire in a huge roll at home hardware. At first I was annoyed I had to buy a whole roll. But I've found lots of uses for it, from making pod houses and covering buckets with it while I acclimate fish, and using it to hold seaweed sheets in on the clip in the tank.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 08:24 PM
Have a pic of what it looks like?

Might be just the ticket.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 08:25 PM
And my yellow watchman likes to chase him a bit. But since my watchman is always down low and the blenny goes everywhere its a non issue.

carriej
08-30-2014, 09:10 PM
Here is what it looks like on the tank. The holes at the front look big, but it's just the angle of the picture. They are 1/4 inch holes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/zygirl22/photo72_zps8d0046eb.jpg

It's kind of a grey color. You can get clear stuff from BRS, but I have not had any light issues with it.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 09:16 PM
yeah perfect.

http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Hardware/Farm-Supplies/Fence-Products/Fences/Poultry-Netting/25-x-24-x-50-Poly-Poultry-Netting/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I5258525?Ntt=chickenwire

Didn't even think of chicken wire, good call.

Is that eggcrate inserts in the back?

carriej
08-30-2014, 09:19 PM
It is. I used metal window framing to make the covers, but I wanted "expansion" room at the back just in case I needed/wanted extra equipment, so I made them a bit shorter and zip tied pieces of egg crate on. That way, if I need to make room for a wire I just remove one block of egg crate instead of having to make a whole new screen. Plus, I wanted the covers to lay flat. You can't see them from looking straight on the tank. I just hope that if a fish decides to jump it hits the 90% covered by the chickenwire LOL

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 09:37 PM
Yeah I am having the same dilemma. Right now I use a HOB skimmer (Reef Octopus BH-2000), and a HOB Fuge (AC110).

I am considering buying extra 90 corner pieces and building two little deviations for those parts. And then filling those smaller spots with eggcrate.

The aggcrate still scares me a bit after 2 loses in 4 months.

The Firefish wasn't surprising, but I have no idea how the Lubbocks Wrasse made it through. I would have thought we was far too large bodied to drive through those holes.

carriej
08-30-2014, 09:40 PM
I had a jumper, a clownfish of all things. My wrasse jumped out too but I was able to save her. She jumped out AT me while I was feeding the tank. Landed right on my chest lol.

The clown jumped out the gap between my return nozzle and eggcrate. I have since stuffed all holes with pieces of sponge. I was quick on the scene when the clown jumped, but he hit the concrete floor ad that was it.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 09:57 PM
Yeah my clowns never jump, they rarely leave more than 6" of their BTA

Redherring
08-30-2014, 10:15 PM
Fantastic pics of the lawnmower blenny! Such a cute fish.

Nuggs
08-30-2014, 10:19 PM
Fantastic pics of the lawnmower blenny! Such a cute fish.

Thanks it was tough getting that macro shot. It does show off all his ugly little details though :)

crystalwaters
08-31-2014, 10:06 AM
Sorry about the jumpers :/ That lawnmower blenny is super cute, cool addition!

Staceym
08-31-2014, 02:12 PM
lawnmower blenny are so fun to watch! Great addition :)

Sorry to hear about the other fish jumping, always a fear of mine :(

Nuggs
08-31-2014, 02:18 PM
Yeah I found some mesh today. Its smaller than 1/2" but not 1/4" as advertised.

Either way I'll pick up the screening kits and replace the mesh later if it annoys me.

Nuggs
09-08-2014, 03:21 PM
Shutdown, moving to my 75G